Where’s Katie Couric?

Date July 29, 2010

She’s off-camera . . . a bit to the left.

Via Darrell.

30 Responses to “Where’s Katie Couric?”

  1. ponce said:

    Oh my, an LMA attempt to Breibart Obama?

    The audio on this tape has edited out the enthusiastic audience member yelling at Obama who can be heard loud and clear starting at around the 37 minute mark on this much more complete tape:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5d_oS6p6KY

    But for some mysterious reason can’t be heard at all on the 37 seconds snippet LMA chose to post.

    Shame.

  2. Darrell said:

    Compare the background crowd in the two videos at the same point in the speech:They’re different. The rail heights are different as well–and that can’t be just an artifact of the camera position. The original has the CNN mask. ponce’s copy is obviously not a broadcast version and titles have been added by the poster. The obvious guess is that it is the same speech at a different venue or different time. It’s not worth the time to analyze the two. If you can find the official CNN version, post the link. It didn’t show in a quick Google search.

  3. ponce said:

    Jesus Darrell,

    Your linked clip is obviously doctored(The word “excuse” flashing on the screen should have tipped you off).

    You just damaged LMA’s reputation by getting her to post your ham-fisted propaganda.

    You could at least apologize to her before spreading your squid ink.

  4. Azmat Hussain said:

    If Reagan was around he would be giving Iran what they want: here is an example

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5YOQEZtNE0

  5. Darrell said:

    Address the issues raised or shut the fuck up. We all know that candidates repeat the same speech. Do you seriously want me to believe the Left is above revisionist history–especially to repair the image of the ONE? Do you want me to remiind you of that Kerry/Fonda picture. You know where there is a real photo of the two near each other at a protest rally. So an earnest Lefty girl Photoshops a photo recreating a similar scene, then “confesses” to the act, thereby allowing everyone to say that the picture was doctored–”the woman that did it even confessed!” Except there is a real picture. My propaganda? It is on YouTube where I found it along with other versions showing the same thing. Plus it was covered at the time, just ignored by the Left.

  6. Darrell said:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1s6ld271Dk

    Show the long version of this.

  7. Darrell said:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/06/07/more-obama-gaffes-media-will-ignore

  8. Darrell said:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt5dY3vVoZ0&feature=player_embedded#!

  9. ponce said:

    Darrell,

    You conned LMA into posted a 37 second clip that was deliberately altered in a lame attempt to make Obama look bad.

    The only question left is: What are you two going to do about it?

    We’ve seen your weaselly response and now we’re waiting for LMA’s.

  10. Azmat Hussain said:

    Here is another Reagan clip where he acknowledges that things went from bad to worse.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka38mzSuOtI&feature=related

  11. Darrell said:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiRhHqlzaG4&feature=player_embedded

  12. Darrell said:

    “that was deliberately altered in a lame attempt to make Obama look bad.”

    Prove it. I gave you links contemporaneous with the event (Newsbusters). If you are too stupid to click it–as you have demonstrated in the past–that is your problem. Saying something doesn’t make it so, no matter how much you believe. There is a date associated with your version but that date was supplied by the poster. There is no independent date from YouTube as to when it was uploaded. Address the issues raised about the people directly in front of Obama when he is flubbing his lines and the height of the railing. Prove that your version wasn’t altered by the poster who obviously provides audio/video services according to his YouTube page. And he trends Left, as the kidz say. You made charges against Breitbart that weren’t substantiated by the facts–that he altered the YouTube posting, for example. Do you have some proof other than your words? Or does that constitute proof in your little world?

  13. ponce said:

    Darrell,

    I think you (and LMA) need to be honest with yourself and just admit you’re wrong.

    I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t realize your childish piece of propaganda is a phony,

  14. Darrell said:

    “Limbaugh said Obama’s speech in Bristol, Va., just last week was interrupted by the candidate’s apparent inability to keep his thoughts in order.
    In the speech, Obama says: “What they’ll say is, ‘Well it costs too much money,’ but you know what? It would cost, about … It — it — it would cost about the same as what we would spend … It … Over the course of 10 years it would cost what it would costs us … (nervous laugh) All right. Okay. We’re going to … It … It would cost us about the same as it would cost for about — hold on one second. I can’t hear myself. But I’m glad you’re fired up, though. I’m glad.”

    That is why, Limbaugh said, he doesn’t believe Obama “will do as many of these town hall meetings with McCain as his camp is saying. … If this were George Bush that you were listening to, this would have been commented on since it happened. You would have had people all over the country saying, ‘Gosh, can’t we get a guy that can talk? Can’t we get a guy who can put two thoughts together?”

    “This is the worst example of it, but I have noticed this and I have seen this throughout these town hall debate situations,” Limbaugh said.

    Limbaugh noted Obama’s explanation that he couldn’t hear himself.

    “By the way, when he makes his remark about the audience being loud and distracting, we didn’t edit any of the audience out. The audience was not making a sound because the audience is as perplexed as you will be,” Limbaugh said.

    “Nobody was saying a word. There was no cheering; there was no fainting. There was just disbelief. I have warned you people several times, you get this guy away from the teleprompter and the David Axelrod–written speeches. This guy doesn’t even write his own speeches. Mario Cuomo and Malcolm X write these, but the bottom line is, you get this guy away from them, and I don’t care, he blames it on lack of sleep. Hey, get used to it, man, you want to be president. Remember that phone call that’s going to ring at 3:00 in the morning? It’s going to be Hillary saying, ‘Have you seen Bill?’ And he’ll say, ‘Yeah, the last time I saw him was in the Oval Office and I couldn’t get rid of him so I came up to bed.’ This is the guy who wants to run your health care,” Limbaugh said.

    “If the American people had learned 30 years ago that a presidential candidate of any party can number as one of his best friends a terrorist who blew up the Pentagon, he would be finished. Today he’s the nominee of the Democrat Party for president of the United States, and this is a man of change and this is a man of hope and dreams. This is a man who is finally going to bring about the federal government fixing everything that’s wrong in health care,” Limbaugh said.”

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=66740

  15. Azmat Hussain said:

    I don’t know what was so bad about that video? Obama is being human, being interrupted anyone can lose the train of thought. Nothing wrong with that. Compare that to Reagan who is admitting that his policies brought on huge deficits and he also acknowledges that he didn’t anticipate that things could get that bad.

  16. Darrell said:

    Do have anything other than your own words ponce? Of course you don’t. Where are the stories from June 2008 denying these contemporaneous postings or calling them fakes?

    My video? Do you even understand how YouTube works? Do you see my name on it? Do you see the other versions showing the exact same thing by other posters in my links? Is that why you said Breitbart edited the YouTube vid he embedded on his blog? Are you really that dumb?

  17. ponce said:

    I see other wingnuts who have used the doctored tape for their own lame attempts at propaganda, Darrell.

    What do I have?

    Your doctored tape and another tape that shows what really happened

    Unless you really *laff* want us to believe:
    1. Your tape is unaltered
    2. Obama is talking to an imaginary person
    3. The guy who posted the tape I found of the whole event from two years ago expertly dubbed in a phony fan yelling at Obama days before your fellow wingnuts posted their crap on yourtube

    Haven’t you beclowned yourself (and LMA) enough today?

  18. Darrell said:

    CNN used the audio feed from the microphone that Obama is holding. Your poster, Wm Kai Stephanos, used the audio from the mike on his camera. Doctored? I’m pretty sure this is the tape that CNN aired exactly. Prove me wrong. I’m sure someone would have brought this up at the time if that was not the CNN feed–like CNN asshole. If you have any issues take them up with NewsBusters and Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the net that didn’t bring it up.

    You’ve beclowned yourself in your normal fashion. If you don’t understand that Wm Kai Stephanos doesn’t have access to the official audio feed and that a microphone on a camera might pick up sounds that the hand microphone wouldn’t, then there is nothing more to say. And that assumes that Wm Kai Stephanos didn’t alter his tape with the addition of that 2-second voice to protect his hero. It is far easier to add audio than take it away seemlessly. There is no official date and time of uploading besides the tag that Stephanos added himself.

  19. Darrell said:

    seamlessly

  20. ponce said:

    “Doctored? I’m pretty sure this is the tape that CNN aired exactly. Prove me wrong.”

    Are you accusing CNN of putting the word “Excuse” in big bright flashing letters at the end of your doctored clip, Darrell?

    Really?

    Really?

  21. Darrell said:

    Adding a title means it is “doctored?” That is the extent of that person’s editing skills, available through free software. It matches the contemporaneous transcript that must have been the CNN version as referenced by Rush Limbaugh (7:22PM comment). I’ve posted links to videos showing the same thing that don’t have titles added, that were uploaded by different YouTube users. See the NewsBusters citation, for example. Funny that you conveniently ignore those independent postings. Here’s the video NewsBusters used to make it easier for you to find and harder for you to ignore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8&feature=player_embedded

    You version has titles added by Wm Kai Stephanos. Does that make it “doctored” too? Or do you think they miraculously appeared in mid-air real time? If you keep on repeating the same shit without producing the broadcast CNN version to back up what you are saying, you might as well give it up. Really. Show me an official CNN version with that stray voice present and we can talk. Show me challenges to the original stories in June of 2008 and we can talk. Do you think that CNN and MSNBC would have missed a chance to smear Limbaugh for a false story if they had an official feed indicating that Limbaugh had mischaracterized the incident? Really? Really? Do you think that the official microphone doesn’t give a better representation of the noise level of the room than a camera mike in the audience? Did you ever stop to think that if a person shouted out, they were closer to Stephanos and his camera’s mike than Obama was, hence the difference in volume? Hmm?

  22. ponce said:

    At least you admitted the tape you tricked LMA into posting was edited, Darrell.

    I know that wasn’t easy for you.

    I didn’t realize your doctored 37 second snippet has become something of a cottage industry for amateur wingnut propagandists.

    I can see why you’re so shrill to deny it was butchered.

    Too bad for your pals there were other people at the event filming.

  23. Darrell said:

    Fuck you, asshole. Any one with a brain knew the tape was edited because the live event was an over an hour long and the clip is only 37 seconds. You really are that stupid. The question is was the audio modified from the CNN broadcast?

    Now let’s think about another point. Could your version by Wm Kai Stephanos have been uploaded to YouTube in September 06, 2008?
    According to Wiki, “…a ten minute limit was introduced in March 2006 after YouTube found that the majority of videos exceeding this length were unauthorized uploads of television shows and films. The ten minute limit was increased to fifteen minutes in July 2010. Your version is 49min21sec. According to http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10053504-2.html , YouTube launched its (then) new uploading tool that increased the [maximum] file size from 100MB to 1 GB on the weekend of September 29, 2008. Your version claims to have been uploaded September 06, 2008 and it is well over 1GB.

    We have now established that your version wasn’t even on YouTube when NewsBusters and Limbaugh and everyone but Lefty sites was discussing Obama’s flub of June 05, 2008 (the date of posting) http://www.youtube.com/watch v=ZxBX8sz3tO8&feature=player_embedded

    Stephanos was also trying to sell the DVD of his work at that time [referenced on sites where they had the YouTube clip, telling readers where to email him], so it is uplikely he would have posted the vid in its entirety anyway.

    Since lies, half-truths, and deception have been the cottage industry of the Left since its inception, maybe you should try and find another video of that town hall meeting in its entirety and compare it with the Stephanos tape noting the background audio.

    To say the CNN version or simple 37 sec-41 sec clips of that broadcast are “butchered,” “doctored” or anything other than what was broadcast by CNN is a total distortion. The fact that the nutroots did not challenge it at the time is pretty much proof that this is what CNN broadcast. To say I tricked LMA into anything is a total lie. My link was the first one that popped up at YouTube with a search for “Obama flub, Obama brainfart”.It was used for a throwaway comment directed at you on another thread. Since it only differs from what I was looking for by the addition of a title card saying “Excuse” I’ll say it accurately reflects what CNN broadcast. If the NewsBuster version without the graphic “Excuse” would have shown up in the search, I would have posted that lik in the comment.

    The only way you will prove your claim has any merit is if you give us a link for an official CNN clip with different audio. But keep on ignoring that, ponce and show us how big of an asshole you really are.

  24. Darrell said:

    The link didn’t post correctly.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8&feature=player_embedded

  25. ponce said:

    Darrell,

    This little incident nicely illustrates the danger of living inside the Right-wing bubble. You laughably quoted Rush Limbaugh and Newsbusters like they’re not biased hucksters who’d do anything to make Obama look bad.

    Five minutes of googling would have revealed to you that the clip you sullied LMA’s site with is a phony.

    Instead, you and thousands of wingnuts spun yourselves into a pointless frenzy imaging Obama was talking to an imaginary fan in public based on a crudely doctored piece of propaganda that made you all look like fools.

  26. Darrell said:

    ponce/pounce/troll/moby,

    This little incident proves you are a disingenuous deceiver and not worth reading. You seem to believe that debating consists of repeating your original points and being totally unresponsive to points being made in the discussion as it proceeds. I quoted Rush Limbaugh and NewsBusters because ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC–and the print sources NYT, LaTimes, etc.–had nothing to say on the subject even weeks after the event. That is to their lasting shame, not that of independent bloggers/news sources. They were protecting their paper candidate–ignoring all discouraging words–anything that flew in the face of the image/charade/meme they were presenting.

    You have presented ,b>no evidence that the clip was not the CNN broadcast showing those 40-some seconds of the event. You have shown no evidence showing that the audio was doctored. You have provided an alternative, longer version from an Obama supporter’s personal video camera and microphone–which by definition would differ from the CNN broadcast. CNN uses it’s own camera and audio equipment, in case you don’t know. The issue here–which you try to conceal–is the audio. Not the fact that only 40-some seconds are shown. Not the fact that the uploaded of the first link I gave added the text “EXCUSE” into the video. You have not shown me a CNN clip that has any different audio than what has been presented here. You are doing that intentionally because you have nothing. You are trying to deceive these good readers, not me. Every reader here knows that the MSM and all the typical Leftist idiots would have gone after Limbaugh 24/7/365 if that wasn’t CNN’s broadcast video/audio. If they didn’t already have it, George Soros would have offered a $100,000 for a copy of the CNN broadcast–for his little dog and pony operation, MediaMatters (with MoveOn.org, and the New Democrat Network). CNN would have delivered it by hand. Since none of that happened, it is safe to assume that clip depicts what was shown and heard at the time.

    A day or two after the original event, I saw these clips on the blogs I visited. I immediate searched for other versions–version that might differ and give some indication that the video or audio had been altered. There were none that showed anything other than a few seconds more or less on the front and back ends–perfectly logical when you are putting together an edit for time. And I did visit all the appropriate sources–CNN, ABC, etc. and all the print media. I looked through multiple versions on YouTube. Your version was months away from being posted so it didn’t enter into the equation, just as the NAACP’s other versions were yet posted when Breitbart embedded that YouTube video on his site. I know that was one of your major points with the Breitbart incident–that he didn’t post the complete video. Disingenuous when the NAACP hadn’t either. Breitbart updated his entry within minutes of the NAACP uploaded additional material. Doesn’t
    sound like someone hiding anything to me. So fuck you for saying that I didn’t do the research. Just more of your unsubstantiated slurs. I always do the research if only to give a headsup to my favorite bloggers.

    Now play true to form and just repeat what you’ve already said. It’s all you’ve got. It’s the only thing you’ve got.

  27. ponce said:

    Haha, darrell,

    On the one hand we have your edited clip put out by rabid anti-Obama fanatics with the sound mysteriously gone so Obama looks crazy.

    And on the other we a tape put out by an amateur who stopped by the event where you can clearly hear an Obama fan loudly yelling at Obama and Obama responding to him.

    Which tape do you think normal people believe is real?

    Occam’s razor is a bitch.

  28. Darrell said:

    Now if we want to talk “doctoring” or “butchering” or “intentional deception,” maybe we should talk about the MSM’s dealings with Sarah Palin. This is from the Charlie Gibson interview on ABC News, taken from the full transcripts presented by ABC and the transcript of the broadcast. The material struckout below wasn’t aired. Cuts were made in the broadcast version to perserve visual/audio continuity.

    GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?

    PALIN: There in the state of Alaska, our international trade activities bring in many leaders of other countries.

    GIBSON: And all governors deal with trade delegations.

    PALIN: Right.

    GIBSON: Who act at the behest of their governments.

    PALIN: Right, right.

    GIBSON: I’m talking about somebody who’s a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

    PALIN: I have not and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you. But, Charlie, again, we’ve got to remember what the desire is in this nation at this time. It is for no more politics as usual and somebody’s big, fat resume maybe that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment, where, yes, they’ve had opportunities to meet heads of state … these last couple of weeks … it has been overwhelming to me that confirmation of the message that Americans are getting sick and tired of that self-dealing and kind of that closed door, good old boy network that has been the Washington elite.

    This is just one question/segment showing my point. They’re all like this–I haven’t just decided whether I should bother doing all of them. Unlike the unedited audio we heard in those Obama clips, if you hate editing/alterations, ponce, for propaganda purposes, you’ll enjoy this series.

  29. Darrell said:

    Do you want to discuss the politics of “your” “amateur” videographer, Wm Kai Stephanos–a rabid Obama supporter with tracks all over the Left on the web, including CPUSA sites? I thought of adding it, but I didn’t see the need. He does not state any affiliation with the CPUSA. Could I imagine him adding something that would take a few seconds on the pro-quality A/V equipment he owns? YES, I Can! I don’t care to analyze background frequencies, though, for discontinuities. I don’t have to pretend that I don’t understand how two different microphones in two different locations can record different sounds. That’s your game.

    Given the months that passed before Stephanos uploaded his version and the number of hits on those CNN YouTube clips and the resulting buzz on the web during those months, Occam’s razor may draw blood from your neck if you really want to put it to the test? I’m sure the readers here are smart enough to realize that sounds near the personal videorecorder would be more prominent in the final product and would differ from the official CNN audio feed taken from the handheld microphone Obama has in his hand. They have their own examples from when they “tape” their kids games. I bet they are amazed when they compare their version with the versions of other parents or the local cable station. Well, they aren’t, but I’m sure you would say you are–for the sake of the narrative.

    I think people believe the CNN version–but don’t give a shit anyway.
    They laugh because mistakes are universal–every one has a personal speaking horror story. They don’t pretend they are perfect though–smarter than everyone in the room, and incapable of such flubs. And they don’t jump on other people’s minor mishaps/mispeaks pretending that they show that person to be unfit for public office or polite society. Repeatedly. Every fucking day. Every politician that comes along from the opposing side.

  30. Darrell said:

    ABC News interview with Sarah Palin in Fairbanks, Alaska, conducted by “World News” anchor Charlie Gibson on September 11, 2008.

    Part 2

    The material struckout below wasn’t aired. Cuts were made in the broadcast version to perserve visual/audio continuity.

    GIBSON: Let me ask you about some specific national security situations.

    PALIN: Sure.

    GIBSON: Let’s start, because we are near Russia, let’s start with Russia and Georgia.

    The administration has said we’ve got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

    PALIN: First off, we’re going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain’s running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we’ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable and we have to keep…

    GIBSON: You believe unprovoked.

    PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there. I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals. That’s why we have to keep an eye on Russia.

    And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

    GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

    PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

    GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?

    PALIN: Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.
    We cannot repeat the Cold War. We are thankful that, under Reagan, we won the Cold War, without a shot fired, also. We’ve learned lessons from that in our relationship with Russia, previously the Soviet Union.

    GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn’t we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?

    PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you’re going to be expected to be called upon and help.

    But NATO, I think, should include Ukraine, definitely, at this point and I think that we need to — especially with new leadership coming in on January 20, being sworn on, on either ticket, we have got to make sure that we strengthen our allies, our ties with each one of those NATO members.

    We have got to make sure that that is the group that can be counted upon to defend one another in a very dangerous world today.

    GIBSON: And you think it would be worth it to the United States, Georgia is worth it to the United States to go to war if Russia were to invade.

    PALIN: What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against. We have got to be cognizant of what the consequences are if a larger power is able to take over smaller democratic countries.

    And we have got to be vigilant. We have got to show the support, in this case, for Georgia. The support that we can show is economic sanctions perhaps against Russia, if this is what it leads to.

    It doesn’t have to lead to war and it doesn’t have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries.

    His mission, if it is to control energy supplies, also, coming from and through Russia, that’s a dangerous position for our world to be in, if we were to allow that to happen.

    GIBSON: Let me turn to Iran. Do you consider a nuclear Iran to be an existential threat to Israel?

    PALIN: I believe that under the leadership of Ahmadinejad, nuclear weapons in the hands of his government are extremely dangerous to everyone on this globe, yes.

    GIBSON: So what should we do about a nuclear Iran? John McCain said the only thing worse than a war with Iran would be a nuclear Iran. John Abizaid said we may have to live with a nuclear Iran. Who’s right?

    PALIN: No, no. I agree with John McCain that nuclear weapons in the hands of those who would seek to destroy our allies, in this case, we’re talking about Israel, we’re talking about Ahmadinejad’s comment about Israel being the “stinking corpse, should be wiped off the face of the earth,” that’s atrocious. That’s unacceptable.

    GIBSON: So what do you do about a nuclear Iran?

    PALIN: We have got to make sure that these weapons of mass destruction, that nuclear weapons are not given to those hands of Ahmadinejad, not that he would use them, but that he would allow terrorists to be able to use them. So we have got to put the pressure on Iran and we have got to count on our allies to help us, diplomatic pressure.

    GIBSON: But, Governor, we’ve threatened greater sanctions against Iran for a long time. It hasn’t done any good. It hasn’t stemmed their nuclear program.

    PALIN: We need to pursue those and we need to implement those. We cannot back off. We cannot just concede that, oh, gee, maybe they’re going to have nuclear weapons, what can we do about it. No way, not Americans. We do not have to stand for that.

    PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln’s words when he said — first, he suggested never presume to know what God’s will is, and I would never presume to know God’s will or to speak God’s words.

    But what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that’s a repeat in my comments, was let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God’s side.

    That’s what that comment was all about, Charlie. And I do believe, though, that this war against extreme Islamic terrorists is the right thing. It’s an unfortunate thing, because war is hell and I hate war, and, Charlie, today is the day that I send my first born, my son, my teenage son overseas with his Stryker brigade, 4,000 other wonderful American men and women, to fight for our country, for democracy, for our freedoms.

    Charlie, those are freedoms that too many of us just take for granted. I hate war and I want to see war ended. We end war when we see victory, and we do see victory in sight in Iraq.

    GIBSON: I take your point about Lincoln’s words, but you went on and said, “There is a plan and it is God’s plan.”

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