Not That There’s Anything Wrong With That*

by Little Miss Attila on April 25, 2011

* Being a guy named Stac[e]y, that is

If we could trust schools not to serve up advocacy along with sex education, the issues of sex-ed and anti-bullying would be a heck of a lot easier. There’s nothing wrong with making sure kids know the fundamentals of reproduction, and that they should not be assholes toward anyone, irrespective of orientation.

But of course these days the temptation to the educational establishment is simply enormous to turn it into much more than that, and to sexualize kids too early, or make the hookup cultures–gay or straight–the normative thing. All of this is just as destructive as sending kids out into the world not knowing about the human body.

UPDATE: Stacy drops by, and says:

Get off of my lawn!

Oh, wait. I pasted the wrong thing, dearie me. Here we go:

1. There is no need for sex education in schools. There are plenty of books about sex in bookstores, if only the schools would teach children to read! And then there’s this thing call “the Internet.” Perhaps you’ve heard of it. Because sex-ed is demonstrably unnecessary (I did just fine without it), the question arises: Why have some people become so insistent on including it in the curriculum? I could suggest answers to that question, but the important thing is to ask the question.

I dunno, Stace. Didn’t they used to at least have “Hygeine class,” back in the 1930s or whenever, when you were in high school?

When I was 14 years old my stepfather got prostate cancer, and at the same time within a year my mother went mad. Another friend’s mother attempted to convince me that part of the reason my mother was crazy was that her mate was no longer able to “satisfy” her. I explained that the only thing the surgery had changed, according to my mom, was to make my stepdad unable to ejaculate, but our argument bogged down when I realized she did not know what the word “ejaculate” meant.

She seemed to think that perhaps the word referred to the back-and-forth movement of sexual intercourse.

I was so embarrassed for her, and so confused that anyone could make it into their late forties/early fifties without knowing the function of the prostate gland, or what the word “ejaculate” meant, or that there were alternatives to sexual intercourse, should that not be a desirable or possible thing for a heterosexual couple any more–or that there were reasons for chemical imbalances in the brain that had nothing whatsoever to do with a woman’s sexual frustration.

I want kids to learn the fundamentals from their parents at a reasonably early age, but I do think there should be a fallback course in high school, for those whose parents think “ejaculate” means “wiggle the penis around inside a woman’s vagina.”

Because it’s shameful for an 18-year-old to think that, much less a 49-year-old. And, no, I don’t want teenagers to pick that kind of information up off the street from the internet, either. In case you were not aware, the internet can be a reliable source of misinformation.

2. What the hell is with this “anti-bullying” crap? Are they trying to tell us that kids are, in this supposed Age of Enlightened Tolerance, even more sadistically barbaric than in the Bad Old Days when you and I were kids? What has caused this supposed upsurge in bullying? Could it possibly have something to do with the discontinuation of corporal punishment in schools? The threat of getting 10 licks with a wooden paddle wielded by a muscular football coach was enough to put The Fear into even the toughest kids back in the day.

Beats the hell out of me. At my high school, the kids who were super-bright and therefore most picked-upon (and some who were bright but not picked-upon) used to eat lunch in the classrooms of the Anthropology teacher and the Geography teacher. And these same people are now 1) publishing books; 2) doing cutting-edge research in math and science; 3) writing for The Atlantic; 4) starting companies, some of multinational stature; 5) making music; 6) editing films; 7) creating new ways of looking at computer graphics and the scanning of images and 3D objects; and 8 ) for the total slackers, writing blogs.

If those teachers hadn’t taken us in, who knows whether we’d be the coffee achievers we are today?

Give ’em a place to eat lunch away from the bullies, and they’ll be fine. Anyway, if they’re out of junior high they are likely past the real danger point: it was far more brutal in elementary and middle school, versus high school. Just sayin’.

UPDATE II: For the record, Stacy is only three years my senior.

My husband, however, is nine and a half years my senior, and attended Catholic school in Skokie, Illinois while he was growing up. And, yes; the curriculum included sex education.

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ponce April 25, 2011 at 8:02 pm

Don’t worry, the church is always there to screw up kids if the schools drop the ball.

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Darrell April 25, 2011 at 11:35 pm

But Marxism is the real multiplication by zero, isn’t it, Zed?

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Robert Stacy McCain April 25, 2011 at 8:03 pm

1. There is no need for sex education in schools. There are plenty of books about sex in bookstores, if only the schools would teach children to read! And then there’s this thing call “the Internet.” Perhaps you’ve heard of it. Because sex-ed is demonstrably unnecessary (I did just fine without it), the question arises: Why have some people become so insistent on including it in the curriculum? I could suggest answers to that question, but the important thing is to ask the question.

2. What the hell is with this “anti-bullying” crap? Are they trying to tell us that kids are, in this supposed Age of Enlightened Tolerance, even more sadistically barbaric than in the Bad Old Days when you and I were kids? What has caused this supposed upsurge in bullying? Could it possibly have something to do with the discontinuation of corporal punishment in schools? The threat of getting 10 licks with a wooden paddle wielded by a muscular football coach was enough to put The Fear into even the toughest kids back in the day.

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Foxfier April 25, 2011 at 8:23 pm

I’d guess the rise in bullying started about the same time that the poor little victim that fought back started getting punished worse than the serial offender.

If my mom wasn’t a certified dragon lady, I would’ve been expelled for kicking the knees of the guy who was about twice my age and taller than most of my teachers when he hauled my little first-grade self off the jungle gym for victimhood. (He was going to get class time detention for one day, IIRC.)

Even without adult corporal punishment, the threat of Authority having some sanity when you finally did pick someone that didn’t stay a victim probably prevented a lot of issues.

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Kwakerjak April 25, 2011 at 9:23 pm

Beats the hell out of me.

Ba-Dum-Tshh….

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ponce April 25, 2011 at 10:18 pm

I think Stacey is just yanking your chain with the the Archie Bunker in cracker form shtick, LMA.

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smitty April 26, 2011 at 12:48 am

There’s nothing wrong with making sure kids know the fundamentals of reproduction, and that they should not be assholes toward anyone, irrespective of orientation.

I agree: orienting assholes towards anyone will not fundamentally advance reproduction.
That is the crucial lesson.

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Little Miss Attila April 26, 2011 at 11:46 am

Bad Smitty. Bad!

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smitty April 26, 2011 at 12:20 pm

I’m sorry. Did my sexylaid cause a problem?

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Adjoran April 26, 2011 at 2:18 am

If the public schools aren’t capable of teaching grammar, math, science, history, and literature, why would anyone assume they will do a better job teaching “tolerance” or sex?

Let them demonstrate they can perform their core functions before we entrust them with anything else.

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John April 26, 2011 at 4:35 am

The could be the exact reason for the rise in bullying: They are trying to accomplish the opposite.

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Bob Belvedere April 26, 2011 at 4:24 pm

Adjoran is dead solid perfect in his aim – he hit the core issue here. I do not want people who can’t communitcate the importance and joy [no pun intended, LMA] of reading and the studying of history to children to attempt to teach them anything more than what a penis and a vagina are – basic biology and how it works.

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Little Miss Attila April 26, 2011 at 4:47 pm

But then you very clearly disagree with Stacy, because you’ve just come out in favor of sex ed: basic biology. How it works.

Are you also against young girls in sex-segragated middle-school settings being given tips on how to cope with their menstrual periods?

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Cassandra April 26, 2011 at 3:55 am

This may come as a huge surprise, but most of what is taught in sex ed is simply human biology. Biology is an academic subject like any other. It deals in facts about how the human body works, what the parts are called, etc.

The idea that biology is an improper subject for schools to teach is just plain silly – just as ridiculous as the idea that if we don’t tell teens they have “man parts” and “lady parts” it will magically never occur to them to have sex! As we all know from our own growing up years, little children *never* play doctor unless some corrupt school official tells them that playing doctor is normal and natural! This is true because children don’t have any natural curiosity about sex. And they never do anything their parents tell them not to!

Teens, especially, can be relied upon to be blindly obedient to their parents due to their characteristic lack of rebellion or recklessness.

*sigh*

Where most conservatives get off the bus with sex ed (and where I would have a problem) is when schools depart from biology and try to teach sexual ethics, as in, “If it feels good, do it… but make sure you wear a condom”. That is clearly NOT biology, nor does it deal in facts about the human body.

Maybe some day we’ll all live in a perfect world where children can all learn about sex from the Internet (Lord knows, *that’s* a much more wholesome place to pick up ideas about right and wrong, much less accurate information).

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Foxfier April 26, 2011 at 7:11 am

They actually bothered with BIOLOGY in the sex ed classes you’ve seen!?!

When I went through (’01 grad) there was maybe a week each of information on STDs (yearly) and biological effects of pregnancy (total), and the rest (of the bloody four YEARS of classes) was birth control and trying to prevent the spread of STDs. Oh, and a big focus on how much having a baby sucked.
The year that our teacher tried to focus on STDs, parents complained about the “gross” images of the results of sleeping around. (I can sorta understand, but they had no issues with the borderline pr0n. OTOH, most of these parents let their teenage kids watch the porn channels….)

I often complain that my school offered more years of sex ed than any other class save “English/social studies.”

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Cassandra April 26, 2011 at 11:40 am

They actually bothered with BIOLOGY in the sex ed classes you’ve seen!

Yes, they really did, but then you have to realize that I graduated back in the Cenozoic Era.

We moved every year (or close to it) so I took sex ed at several schools and I did learn a few things. The most graphic anything ever got was diagrams. My two sons said their classes were the same.

I only remember two things from all those classes (other than the info). One was the time our male gym teacher (some poor guy who had been roped into teaching sex ed to a class full of Jr. high school girls) had to tell the class,

“…certain stimuli can cause the male to become very excited….”

Which caused a very young Cass to snark, “Duuuuuuude! We won the game…. BOING!!!!”

He gave me detention :p

The other involved a diagram animated in excruciatingly slow motion.

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tim maguire April 26, 2011 at 3:56 am

Did your 49 year old friend really lead such a diminished life for not knowing what “ejaculate” means? Some things are simply not the province of the school, even if that means learning is uneven across class and culture.

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Cassandra April 26, 2011 at 4:09 am

Tim:

What is so special about certain parts of the body that means they should be off limits for school? Are there any other body parts that shouldn’t be studied in school because they could possibly be misused in some way?

What is the great harm you’re trying to prevent here? What other facts (keep in mind that I’m not defending teaching sexual mores or birth control) do you think should be off limits?

I’m not being argumentative – this is a serious question.

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Moneyrunner April 26, 2011 at 5:25 am

What intrigues me is the demand that the public schools should add subjects that are not a traditional part of the curriculum when they do a piss poor job of the few subject that are: reading, writing, math, history, science followed by geography, a smattering of economics (most high school graduates are financially illiterate). Let someone object to teaching the mechanics of sexual techniques and we have hysterics demanding that allowing children to graduate from junior high without a course on how to penetrate their sex partner is somehow wrong, wrong, wrong!

I realize that for many, the sex act is uppermost in their minds (I understand that men think of sex once a minute, you ladies will have to tell me what your frequency is). Can we not agree that courses on sexual intercourse – or outercourse – are not a fundamental part of the K-12 curriculum? There are lots of other hours in the day, other places and other learning experiences, relatives and friends who are more than willing to share their knowledge, experience and even part of their bodies to teach the subject that is nearest and dearest to you.

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Little Miss Attila April 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm

I’m not in favor of adding non-traditional courses; I’m in favor of keeping the biology of reproduction, which has been taught in schools for a many decades. It should remain a high school subject, rather than a junior-high subject, and it should be ethically neutral, not advocating for casual sex.

And, no–human biology is not more important than reading, writing, math, history, geography, or other types of science.

I do not think that personal finance should be a priority for the schools. I would, however, definitely advocate for more teaching of economics–particularly using the Thomas Sowell jargon-free approach.

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Yu-Ain Gonnano April 26, 2011 at 6:13 am

Long time, no hear, Cass. How you been?

This may come as a huge surprise, but most of what is taught in sex ed is simply human biology. Biology is an academic subject like any other. It deals in facts about how the human body works, what the parts are called, etc.

Thus begging that we ask the question: If “sex-ed” is simple (human) biology, why do we need a special class for it? Why should human sexual reproduction be singled out from other sexual reproduction? From an scientific standpoint, there is no difference. Teach it in Biology class alongside, and in the same manner as, you would teach mammalian, aviary, reptillian, etc reproduction.

The point of a seperate class seems, to me, to be the desire to teach sexual mores.

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Cassandra April 26, 2011 at 11:47 am

Hi Yu-Ain! 🙂

re: If “sex-ed” is simple (human) biology, why do we need a special class for it? Why should human sexual reproduction be singled out from other sexual reproduction? From an scientific standpoint, there is no difference. Teach it in Biology class alongside, and in the same manner as, you would teach mammalian, aviary, reptillian, etc reproduction.

I agree with this 100%. FWIW, I partially agree with your point about “needing” a separate class in order to teach sexual mores. Sometimes this is the case, but not always. When I was in school, they separated the boys from the girls for sex ed so we wouldn’t be embarrassed to ask question.

re: proselytizing: I do think this is a problem in some (not all) cases. But if that’s so it’s a problem children face every time they turn on the TV, go on the Internet, answer an email, read a book, talk to their friends…. all of these sources subtly (or not so subtly) seek to convert kids to some set of sexual standards, whether it be do-it-before-you-turn-5 or abstinence.

People on all sides want to proselytize wrt sexual morality. I had sex ed in school (we moved every year, so actually I took the class many times in different schools/states). I don’t recall any proselytizing, unless you consider the message that you can get pregnant/catch nasty diseases to be moralizing (I think it’s just a fact).

The suggestion that the Internet is a good place for kids to learn about sex is appalling to me – I can’t think of a worse place to get either information or morals. Even the worst horror stories I’ve read about schools with a pro-sex agenda don’t come close to being as un-kid or parent friendly as the Internet.

I think we’re agreed that the morality component ought to be left out of school. And I agree with Moneyrunner that sex ed is a lot farther down the priority list than the 3 R’s.

I got around the priorities issue by paying for private school for my sons. I was never sorry – it was money well spent b/c I didn’t have to spend all my time trying to counter a value system I don’t endorse.

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Yu-Ain Gonnano April 26, 2011 at 1:02 pm

When I was in school, they separated the boys from the girls for sex ed so we wouldn’t be embarrassed to ask question.

I’ve seen this view a lot, but I’m curious (sex ed in my HS was co-ed and it didn’t seem a problem). Would these questions have been embarrasing had they been asked about in the context of general mammalian sexual reproduction (say Dogs or Cats)?

If teaching about canine reproduction would require gender segregation, then I can certainly understand doing so for human reproduction as well. If not, then it would suggest to me that maybe the curriculum isn’t being handled as “simple Biology”.

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Cassandra April 26, 2011 at 1:38 pm

Would these questions have been embarrasing had they been asked about in the context of general mammalian sexual reproduction (say Dogs or Cats)?

When I was in school we took Health (not ‘Sex Ed’) and Health included all kinds of info about exercise, food groups, etc. This was pretty standard fare in the 1960s and 70s.

I don’t think asking about a cat or dog is the same as asking a question about the way your own body functions. Not too many girls, for instance, are going to ask a question about menstruation in front of a classroom of boys. And not too many boys are going to ask a question about ejaculation in front of a classful of girls.

And yet none of this deals with morals or mores. Just biology, about which a young person can naturally be expected to have a keener interest when it pertains to the workings of his/her own body than when it pertains to the family pet :p

Just my 2 cents!

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Cassandra April 26, 2011 at 2:31 pm

Just as an aside Yu-Ain, I found it difficult to type the 3rd paragraph in the comment above, mostly b/c you’re a man.

And I’ve known you how many years? 🙂

My husband is not at all shy or squeamish (he’s a Marine, for Pete’s sake!) and yet there are many things I don’t say in his presence – or speak of more delicately around him than I would with another woman. I wasn’t embarrassed to talk to my boys about sex but I won’t lie and say it was completely effortless either.

I think perhaps there’s some value in separating girls and boys for this kind of thing so that those children who do feel some reticence in front of the opposite sex will feel comfortable asking questions if they have them.

In this age of endless Viagra, feminine hygiene, jock itch commercials I often find myself longing for a little less “openness”.

Yu-Ain Gonnano April 26, 2011 at 2:44 pm

Just biology, about which a young person can naturally be expected to have a keener interest when it pertains to the workings of his/her own body than when it pertains to the family pet.

Certainly true. But had the information about the menstrual cycle been presented as simple standard mammalian biology (even our pets go through the same cycle) of Egg release>Uterine preperation>shedding etc, would that have taken the embarrasment out of it?

Like I said, our classes were co-ed and my best memory of it was not of being afraid to ask question out of embarrasment, but rather because it was boring enough already and I didn’t want to prolong it. 🙂

Yu-Ain Gonnano April 26, 2011 at 3:03 pm

And that’s kinda why I’m asking the questions. It’s outside of my experience.

I’ve never been one to be embarrased about things when placed in a general context. It’s when it gets personal that it would get uncomfortable for me.

That is, it’s not the discussion of male or female anatomy that bothers me. I’m perfectly fine with that. It’s the discussion of my anatomy and your anatomy I don’t want to have. And that doesn’t really change in a single gender setting.

I guess if questions like “Is my _____ normal” get’s left unasked in a classroom setting, I’m pretty OK with that. It seems like a better question to ask your parents, or at least ask in private.

Foxfier April 26, 2011 at 3:10 pm

The classes I went through:
Entirely co-ed, never touched on the biology of a woman’s cycle (other than mentioning that it was why the Pill had different colored pills on the board), did a little on the blood vessels involved.

Very little q-and-a time in the class format that our teacher was going off of (since she was given the class by being the only one they could bully into it… home ec teacher most of the time!) but lots of emphasis on needing to use two forms of birth control, preferably one of them screwing with the woman’s chemical balance. Listing of the STDs. Big section on how HIV is just as common in heterosexuals as homosexuals. (…yes, you read that right. And yes, we all realized it was a steaming pile of bleep.)

Oh, and there was that sadistic sleep deprivation thing where you take a fake infant “home” and basically abandon all your schooling for however long you have the doll. Yay, driving home that children are horrible!

Skyler April 26, 2011 at 6:53 am

I guess the right answer to sex ed in schools is that it’s none of anyone’s business what a parent wants their children to learn. Government should get out of the school teaching business and leave it to individuals to hire teachers and decide on curricula. You want your kids to learn evolution? Good on ya. Send your kid to a school that teaches that. You want condoms distributed to your kindergartener? Double plus good. Go at it with the teachers you hire.

If we remove government from schools, we are freer and 70% of the public controversy is eliminated.

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Texan99 April 26, 2011 at 7:16 am

I don’t know if my schools were all unusual, but not only was I never bullied, I never knew anyone who was bullied. I graduated from high school in 1974. Of course, it may be that almost all bullying is (or was then) aimed at boys, and maybe the boys were unlikely to talk about it to girls. Still, you’d think that dark rumors would circulate, so that they’d reach even someone as socially oblivious as me. They never did. My husband (who is of about my same vintage) reports the same.

I think I’m with Foxfier: the problem may have gotten bad when kids who fought back against bullies started to get into as much trouble as the bullies themselves.

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Foxfier April 26, 2011 at 7:50 am

Oh! You reminded me of a little nugget from my mom’s childhood: her parents were good friends with a neighbor who had a son born about a day apart from my mom, and the guy was tiny. Mom spent a lot of time in high school defending him. To hear her tell it, the only thing odd about this setup was that 1) she was a girl and 2) the guy had a growth spurt the first year of college and is now over six foot tall….

If that’s fairly accurate, then bullying wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near as bad as it does now because of the “defend the weak” response. As that McDonald’s mess (most recently) shows, a lot of folks have been trained that it’s Not My Worry.

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Moneyrunner April 26, 2011 at 8:10 am

I could not help noticing that sex and people’s “bits” are so much part of our lives that we can now pick up a popular glossy magazine – Cosmopolitan ($3.99 per issue, $11.50 for a 1 year subscription)- as we stand in the grocery store checkout line to learn the “75 Sex Moves That Men Crave.” And for the man who wants to learn about women: “This Sex Position Increases Female Orgasm By 56%.” Can you learn this stuff in 9th grade from Miss Grundy or Mr. Peepers? All in the same magazine that includes “The Love Trick That Makes Him Want You More.” This stuff will be studied and practiced by young men and women without the need to assign homework, whereas algebra, history and writing an essay are not going to be practiced in the back seat of the family car.

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Little Miss Attila April 26, 2011 at 12:11 pm

I should hope not; the lighting is terrible there. They will ruin their eyes!

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Foxfier April 26, 2011 at 12:26 pm

Don’t you mean “if they keep doing that, they’ll go blind”?

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Right Wing Nutter April 26, 2011 at 9:58 am

I’m with Stacey and Foxfier on the inherent savagery of kids and the effectiveness of retribution on suppressing bullying. I was in Junior High (aka Middle School) during the end of the 50’s and start of the 60’s. The paddle was wielded more for insubordination to teachers than for bullying. Bullying was a subset of the set of things that would get you whacked. Burly male teachers were assigned the paddle wielding, with female teachers in attendance if the paddled was female. Any students who were present during the infraction plus any the teaching staff thought needed the object lesson (like me) were also gathered around. The swats were hard, and hurt (yes, I had my share) but the public humiliation was at least as bad.

One guy decided he enjoyed smashing my chips (take your tofu and shove it Michelle) as he walked by to lunch every day. He was a year older and a lot bigger. After a little over a week of this I seeded my chips with thumbtacks. I can still call up the look on his face as the bag slowly peeled off his hand. I ate lunch in a different place every day for a week until we were both called into the Principal’s office and the sequence of events was laid out. The punishment? We were ordered to “kiss and make up” there in his office. For a pair of young hetero adolescent boys (at the time I had no idea of what “queer” really meant) this was an extremely effective punishment. Neither of us wanted to risk a repeat and so I ate lunch peacefully from then on.

This was public school. The parents were pretty much OK with it. Any who weren’t were free to send their kid to another school, where the same ground rules likely applied with different players. Nobody committed suicide. Nobody pulled knives although we were allowed to carry folding pocket knives. There were one on one fights after school which were quickly broken up if the kids were unevenly matched. Other fights, like when a kid did manage to fight off a known aggressor, the pair would have a tete-a-tete with the Principal. Ganging up or using weapons were grounds for immediate suspension and probable expulsion no matter how strongly parents objected.

I guess having endured that is why I’m a serial murderer locked up on death row. Just kidding. I’m happily married for several decades with four kids, the three oldest married and the youngest in college, and nine grandkids (so far). The lack of having been issued condoms when my reaction would have been wondering why they made this balloon end so hard to tie off doesn’t seem to have hurt me reproductively. So far as bullying goes, the zero tolerance regime doesn’t seem to have helped. I’d rather have the “old school” plus a gym class for smaller kids to teach them how to block punches and accurately kick lower body nerve clusters.

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Cassandra April 26, 2011 at 3:33 pm

Foxfier wrote: (sorry, I can’t reply) The classes I went through:
Entirely co-ed, never touched on the biology of a woman’s cycle (other than mentioning that it was why the Pill had different colored pills on the board), did a little on the blood vessels involved.

Wow. I never had ANYTHING like that. Most of ours really was hygiene related stuff. – diagrams of male and female parts, explanations of how they worked (and how pregnancy happened). Very little on birth control anywhere I lived. They certainly mentioned it (the Pill, condoms) mostly in the context of effectiveness/failure rates and oh-by-the-way there’s a name for kids who have sex with no birth control: parents.

Honestly as a parent I don’t have too much problem with that so long as the presentation is very neutral. Nothing about AIDS but then it didn’t exist. Lots about STDs and pregnancy and practical advice about how to deal with “that time of the month” (and as the daughter of a mother who told me that when she first matured, she hid it for 3 months b/c she thought she had cancer and was dying, I have to say sex ed is a HUGE improvement). I matured really early too – before a lot of parents would think they had to talk to their daughter. But b/c I’d had health in 5th grade I knew all about it.

Of course my Mom told me some too. But not nearly as much info as I got in my health class. I’m sure my experience colors my reactions here, but I have to say that I still remember the first time I was old enough (5th grade) to have the “big girl” health class. I was so excited, and all we really learned were things every young woman should know. When you mature earlier than your peers, you feel a bit scared and out of it. It’s not as though your friends know much of anything useful.

So to me, it was a good thing. My morals came from my parents (to the extent that I listened to them, and that wasn’t much). But I certainly paid more attention to my parents than to anything in school when it came to what “ought” to be.

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Foxfier April 26, 2011 at 3:54 pm

Kind of makes me wonder what a lot of the supporters of “sex ed” think they’re promoting. My mom was really good about “the cycle,” and I always knew I could ask any questions I might have, but not everyone has that and there is a basic health interest.

I wouldn’t mind at all if it had been biology, disease theory, failure rates when used correctly, etc. (With a big emphasis on how easy it is for some folks’ bodies to overwhelm contraception– my sister has a friend who has three children, all conceived on birth control. The Pill, middle of a depo shot, and an IUD. [for those who say that sounds familiar, but I thought it was two kids– she just announced that “they” are pregnant, again, a few weeks back.])

Of course, I’d be considered an extremist because I also want girls to be told about the possible side-effects of pumping themselves full of synthetic hormones, at least as much as we were pounded on about possible risks with milk from hormone treated cows…. Oh well.

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Little Miss Attila April 26, 2011 at 4:44 pm

Oh, I’m with you on that: we’ve become way too casual about spending long periods of time on hormones unnecessarily.

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