Virginia Jim

by Little Miss Attila on May 5, 2009

. . . on yesterday morning’s panel.

Tall Jim weighs in as well.

Mostly Bruce (McQ) and I rolled our eyes when the slimier people talked, or when people managed to go on and on without saying anything whatsoever.

API should have invited adults on this trip, but it’s too late for that. I’m delighted that at least two of the bloggers here could be described as “left of center.” It makes things a good less intellectualy homogenized.

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Chris Nelder May 9, 2009 at 3:37 pm

As one of those “left of center” bloggers, it was my pleasure to add a little balance to the discussion…for those who had ears for it, anyway.

My take on the conference: The Great Divide on Energy Policy

Great to meet you, Joy!


Darrell May 9, 2009 at 8:25 pm

Balance and middle ground, indeed.
The Great Divide: Bullshit—Reason… Left—Right.

Chris, If your manifesto includes measuring a carbon footprint or even mentioning it, Kool-Aid must be served.

A massive natural-gas discovery here in northern Louisiana heralds a big shift in the nation’s energy landscape. After an era of declining production, the U.S. is now swimming in natural gas.

Haynesville Shale, from the dense rock formation that contains the gas — could hold some 200 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. That’s the equivalent of 33 billion barrels of oil, or 18 years’ worth of current U.S. oil production. Some industry executives think the field could be several times that size.

Huge new fields also have been found in Texas, Arkansas and Pennsylvania. One industry-backed study estimates the U.S. has more than 2,200 trillion cubic feet of gas waiting to be pumped, enough to satisfy nearly 100 years of current U.S. natural-gas demand.

Drink up while the adults work.


Chris Nelder May 10, 2009 at 7:15 am

@Darrell I know all about the Haynesville and the other major shale formations and their potential. Much has been made of them in the media, but none ever mention the two most important data points: the flow rates, and the depletion rates. Here’s one factoid for you: shale gas wells typically pay out 50% of their total production in the first 6 months, so you have to keep drilling constantly to maintain your flow rate. That is not happening right now because the price of gas is too low. I have written about some of the important issues with gas in this recent piece: Natty Dread.

In short: Don’t believe the hype. Do your own research.


Darrell May 10, 2009 at 4:46 pm

Chris, maybe you should research who you are writing to.

Now excuse me while I look at wells with 60 years of natural gas production data from the shales that dominate the Middle and Late Devonian strata of the Appalachian Basin in Western Kentucky. And don’t be offended if I tell you to go frack yourself. Horizontally, preferably.

The professionals will handle the details on a case-by-case basis. Go ahead and do whatever it is you do, and develop alternative energy by all means. Just forget us conventional energy people entirely. And forget about us doing anything but fighting your agenda to our last breaths. As Robert D. Brinsmead said in AN IRRATIONAL FEAR OF CARBON,

“The AGW cult’s real war, however, is not really against carbon emissions and global warming. It is a war against humanity itself. It is a war on human prosperity and the human right to enjoy a decent standard of living. It is a war against the poor, who will suffer the most from carbon control, restrictions, cutbacks and costs. Especially will it be a war on the poor in the developing world. It will freeze them permanently into their miserable subsistence lifestyles with no chance of escape. Most of all, this is a war on human freedom on a scale that goes beyond anything heretofore attempted in human history. It has the potential not just to wreck the economy but to destroy civilization itself.”

…”The thought-police will not be far behind this freedom-threatening horde of carbon cops, whether these are appointed by the government or by self-appointed busy-bodies snooping on our carbon emissions. The very concept of carbon trading is a threat to personal freedom and civil liberties. It has the potential to go far beyond anything contemplated by the tyrannies of old fashioned Communism. It will open the door to a new Dark Age, not just of civil but also of religious totalitarianism. Prime Ministers and politicians have already said that AGW is a moral issue, thereby turning it into an obnoxious religious crusade in which the government can become involved.”


Little Miss Attila May 10, 2009 at 5:18 pm

Let’s dial it down a notch, guys.

We’ve got plenty to argue about without making it personal. Or, tell you what: I know less than either of you, so I’ll go do some research . . .


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