Obama Throws Gays/Lesbians Way, Way Under the Bus.

by Little Miss Attila on June 12, 2009

Insty points us here, remarking:

THE FIERCE MORAL URGENCY OF CHANGE! Obama defends DOMA in federal court. Says banning gay marriage is good for the federal budget. Invokes incest and marrying children. Who were the rubes on this one? I think we know now. Remember: If you’re not sure who the mark is, you’re the mark.

The who are the rubes? meme originally had to do with which economic advisors were there for window dressing, and which ones Obama intended to listen to after he got elected.

See? I’m supposed to put up with Western European-style Socialism Lite, the gallop toward which has already brought us 10% unemployment, in order to get 1) progress on gay rights, and 2) the Feds to stop running raids on California’s perfectly legal marijuana clinics.

Except that 1) Obama’s won’t even get rid of “don’t ask, don’t tell,” much less leave the marriage issue to the states, where it belongs, and 2) the raids have continued—the first one within a week of the last assurance we were given that they would not.

The left-right labels don’t mean squat any more, and the GOP is now the better bet for both women’s rights and gay rights. And maybe, maybe enough respect for states’ rights to stop the raids on our clinics.

UPDATE: As Darrell points out in the comments, I do fear that some will suggest we need to abandon the path of liberty in 2012, rather than following in the footsteps of Reagan (not a perfect leader, but he at least cashed the checks from Log Cabin Republicans, rather than sending ’em back, like some later idiot nominees did), Goldwater (whose son was gay, and who was ahead of his time in proclaiming there should be no discrimination against gays in the Armed Forces—which we are a long way from achieving), and Dick Cheney (who, of course, wants “equality for everyone”).

Cynthia is still not happy with my “state by state” methodology, but I think (1) it’s more realistic to go that way; (2) having 50 “laboratories” to figure out some of the arcane legal issues is far preferable to a “one size fits all” approach imposed by the Feds (whom I don’t trust to execute these matters anyway).

However, I do recognize that there are civil rights issues that had to be settled by Federal fiat, so this is a tactical disagreement only, rather than a strategic one. I just tend to think that using the Feds to accomplish such a thing is like recruiting a Frankenstein monster: one gets brute force, sure—but not always the finesse one might like. YMMV, and naturally I respect Cynthia’s knowledge on the issue, even if I disagree with how effective her approach might be.

The moral issue stands, though as with the marriage issue itself I would prefer to walk back heterosexual privilege rather than grant the same latitude to gays that straights presently enjoy: given the level of violence against women, I think men should have to show I.D. and a marriage certificate to see their wives in the hospital—and women, to see their husbands. No one should be able to just “waltz in” to visit someone in a hospital bed.

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Darrell June 12, 2009 at 10:09 am


Your Blog is so content-rich that it’s impossible to keep up with your postings, much less have them remain in sight to comment and debate. These aren’t dairy products left at room temperature, you know?


I R A Darth Aggie June 12, 2009 at 10:24 am

You’re still up?


Little Miss Attila June 12, 2009 at 10:47 am

D, I’ve been wondering whether I should put more “below the fold,” especially with some of the longer posts.

IRA DA: No. I slept for maybe five hours, but I do need a nap now.


Darrell June 12, 2009 at 11:02 am

Either that or just let the page run longer. We can scroll.

If you do go “below the fold” make sure there are treats now and again. Something not safe for work. You can use stick figures if it offends your sensibilities.


Cynthia Yockey, A Conservative Lesbian June 12, 2009 at 11:11 am


I appreciate your post and support. But I have to ask — if YOU could only be married in a few states and your marriage was not recognized or honored in others, which required you to keep a sheaf of legal contracts and documents on your person at all times, and these contracts ALSO did not have to be honored wherever you go in the U.S., would you still think marriage was a matter only for the states?

FYI, there’s no stated civil or criminal penalty for refusing to honor a durable medical power-of-attorney in most states and my experience is that hospitals do whatever they want, if that’s all you have. But they kiss the ground in front of you if you just say you’re married without any proof at all.



Cynthia Yockey, A Conservative Lesbian June 12, 2009 at 11:12 am


I bow before your blog-fu! My dear, you are on FIRE today!




Little Miss Attila June 12, 2009 at 1:26 pm

For one thing, Cynthia, I don’t want a repeat of the Roe v Wade debacle.


thuja June 12, 2009 at 3:36 pm

You’ve left off Obama’s worst offence against gay people: inviting the Muslim Brotherhood to his speech in Cairo. The Muslim Brotherhood murders gay people and advocates their genocide. Unlike McCain, Obama empowers those who seekthe genocide of gay people. I hope some gay people wake up to who their friends are.

I do have the fear that 2012 Republican nominee won’t be so pro-gay, because the GOP seems to festering in its defeat.


John June 12, 2009 at 6:29 pm

It’s not so much a case of G&L’s being better off under Republicans more than their knowing where they stand with the Republicans.

Obama suspects that if the gay rights movement gets enough of what it wants, the movement goes away, and thus a large segment of voters no longer has any reason to vote Democrat. Cynthia has hinted as much, in a way.

All it would really take is for religious conservatives to decide that “keeping the gays at bay” is a task for non-coercive persuasion by private individuals, and not for government action.


Eric G. June 12, 2009 at 9:07 pm

Little Miss Attila — I’m impressed to find a blogger who thinks before she types!


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