Oh, Goody. An Email from R.L. Hymers, Jr.

by Little Miss Attila on July 25, 2009

How fun. He sent me a link to an article that purports to “answer his critics,” and does so in ways that are rather vague and crazy.

In keeping with my policy of blogging about him whenever he initiates contact, then, I suppose I shall have to do so, though he bores me to tears at this point.

So I guess I will post my letter of excommunication from one of the Hymers cults, the Open Door Community Churches, from 1977 or whenever it was. I have redacted the names of all eight of his ministers/elders within that organization, since none of them are with the organization at present, and since that time those with whom I had the most contact back in the 1970s have apologized, despite their ruined lives, for their own roles in ruining mine.

Open Door Community Churches
of Los Angeles

Dr. R. L. Hymers, Superintendent
(213) 473-8376 or 465-9247

Board of Elders:
[redacted 1]
[redacted 2]
[redacted 3]
[redacted 4]
[redacted 5]
[redacted 6]
[redacted 7]
[redacted 8]

Dec. 2, 1977

Dear Miss Whittemore:

You have been excommunicated from the church for sexual sins that you refuse to repent of, and for continually missing church, and for denying Christ.

You have violated your enclosed covenant with God. There is only one way you can get right with God. You must come back to this church, repent, and publicly confess your sins. You cannot go to any other church and be absolved, for, even if they accept you, God will not. You must come back here to repent, even it is fifty years from now. Otherwise you can never be forgiven.

You were excommunicated by a unanimous vote of the membership of the entire church.

Very Truly Yours,

[signature]
[name redacted]
Clerk, Board of Elders

You are barred from ever again taking Communion, unless you are restored by coming back to this church and repenting. If you ever again take Communion without doing this first, you will be severely judged by God (1 Corinthians 11:27-30).

Clearly, it wasn’t a cult. All mainstream churches say that one can only get right with God via one little ministry in the Los Angeles area. I suppose that means that if I wanted to be saved now, at this stage in life, I’d have to go to the Fundamentalist Baptist Tabernacle in order to do it. Unless I can wait until it’s been 51 years, and then I’d be free to go elsewhere.

But, you know: Hymers’ church is downtown. That’s a heck of a drive from here, and . . . well, the traffic these days . . .

UPDATE: An ex-member of the Hymers cult writes:

Hymer’s defense seems to be “Hey, people like me! – Big people!” He has always befriended well known figures in fundamentalist circles and claimed legitimacy for himself from his association with them. Of course, what Sumner or anyone else has to say about Hymers has nothing whatsoever to do with his abuses, exploitation and lies (which they probably don’t know about, and certainly have not witnessed). Nor does this new defense, ‘church splits,’ that Hymer’s has pulled out of his, er, hat, hold any water. Abuse is abuse.

Actually, ex-members are great for getting to know what an abusive religious leader is really like. Many such ex-members have web sites where they tell their individual stories and warn the unsuspecting. You usually get the gist of the abusive group’s M.O. pretty quickly this way. Cult leaders just hate that.

So I’d noticed. Glenn Reynolds: “Smart PR people don’t generally go after bloggers, as this tends to attract other bloggers to the story . . . .” Oh, don’t be absurd: Hymers is very media-savvy. He’s said so himself.

Related:

Dr. R.L. Hymers
More on the R.L. Hymers Cult
On Halloween, and Obsessive Truth-Telling
The Best Deprogramming: Don’t Program Yourself at All
The “Hymers Warners” Group
A Word About Libel: Memo to Bob Hymers
Why Is Hymers’ Website So Ugly?
Losing My Virginity in the R.L. Hymers Cult
Bob Hymers’ History of Violence
Mac Brunson: Another Member of the “Millstone” Club?
One Fake Letter; One Real One

UPDATE, 5/18/2010:

I’ve been told that some people are misunderstanding my allusion in the comments to my having been raped in the Hymers church. I did, indeed, lose my virginity to an act of rape when I was in Hymers’ cult. The perpetrator was also someone attending Hymers’ church. However, that was history by the time I was excommunicated from Hymers’ cult. I had broken up with the boyfriend who had raped me. The lines about “sexual sin,” and about my supposedly “denying Christ” were simply added to my excommunication letter to spice it up.

I was excommunicated because I refused to begin attending church meetings/services any more, in the wake of a bout with mononucleosis. I can actually document this, since I received a “warning letter” from the Hymers cult that made no mention of sexual sin, but did warn me that I was obligated to begin attending church meetings once more.

Bob Hymers had instructed me to go to a “sexual deviants’ meeting” on Monday nights after prayer meetings, and I attended faithfully during my time in his cult. I therefore think it is almost certain he knew the nature of that first instance of sexual intercourse—that it was forced upon me. He certainly had no problems publicly humiliating a 14-year old girl for “sexual sin” in the middle of a church service on a Sunday.

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{ 17 comments }

Peter July 25, 2009 at 11:45 pm

I finally broke down and read your series on your dealings with that outfit. After reading it I am not going to stay up nights worrying about running into that Hymer feller in Heaven.

Hey, you know I have Bathsheba’s twin? Yep, a Ruger SP101 .357 with a three inch barrel. Mine is consiberabe more battered than yours, seeing as how I’ve carried it daily for God only knows how long, since Ruger came out with them, really, I bought it in the first six months of production.

Little Miss Attila July 26, 2009 at 7:39 am

The beauty of a Ruger revolver lies not only in the weight and external signs of quality, though handling it impresses one with same. There are also touches like the physical barrier in front of the firing pin, which slides out of the way when the action is engaged. Is it necessary? Well, probably not: there’s nothing unsafe, after all, about a Smith revolver, or even a Taurus, for that matter. But when it comes to firearms, thoughtful design and beautiful execution matter a great deal–and are worth paying for.

Love that revolver. I miss my chief’s special (“Betty”), but I wouldn’t trade Bathsheba to get her back.

Helian July 26, 2009 at 9:26 am

If memory serves, there’s a second path to salvation. Louis XIV got to go on seeing his mistress AND be saved in return for murdering all the Huguenots in France. I hope this helps.

Robert L. Hymers III July 26, 2009 at 12:58 pm

Dear Miss Attila,

Is your firearm registered?

– Robert

Little Miss Attila July 26, 2009 at 1:46 pm

[Note to readers; this is not Hymers; it is one of his sons. Please do not be rude.]

Hi, Leslie! What . . . the Ruger? I live in Southern California; we don’t have firearms registration here. But I bought it legally, and filled out all the forms and killed all the trees that one kills when one buys a firearm in L.A. County.

Lots of trees. Lots and lots of trees. I think I may have killed more pieces of paper by buying my guns than I have by drilling holes in targets at the range.

Let me know if you need shooting tips. Here’s a good one: Do not wear MBT sandals for a day at the range, unless it’s just a periodic drill to make sure one can still shoot in one’s street clothes.

Thanks for stopping by.

Robert L. Hymers III July 26, 2009 at 2:10 pm

Dear Miss Attila,

I demand that you let me know why there is discussion about a Ruger pistol and shooting, and killing Huguenots under the Blog title “Oh goody. An Email from R. L. Hymers, Jr”? I demand an answer immediately!

Sincerely,

Robert Hymers III

Little Miss Attila July 26, 2009 at 2:28 pm

[copy of email to Robert L. Hymers, III (again: not the same as Robert L. Hymers, Jr.--this guy is just a kid; be polite)]

>One of my other readers brought up the subject of my Ruger.
>Please do not be alarmed; I have no violent fantasies about your dad.

>All best,

>Joy/LMA

Gosh. It took me forever to find the Huguenots! I believe the reader who made that remark was attempting a satire on your father’s rather, um, interesting/colorful doctrine of single-fellowship salvation.

Little Miss Attila July 26, 2009 at 2:31 pm

Oh, and . . . millstones. Sigh.

Readers: Please pray for Hymers’ family. I’ve tried to pray for RLH Jr., but I don’t feel like I mean it, yet.

Robert L. Hymers III July 26, 2009 at 2:59 pm

I am hardly a child at 26 years old. After your repeated and vicious attacks on my father for many years, I demand that you tell me why you are discussing guns under this heading, “Oh, Goody. An Email from R.L. Hymers, Jr.” I would think that any impartial observer would feel that you are at least trying to incite others. Your hatred towards my father seems pathological to me.

Robert L. Hymers III

Little Miss Attila July 26, 2009 at 3:46 pm

Mr. Hymers,

1) I’m sorry about calling you a child; I believe that came across as patronizing. I think I was making sure that the other old/middle-aged folk here respected your lack of complicity in your father’s actions. I regret the phrasing. My apologies.

2) Your demand was complied with, and promptly.

3) What am I trying to incite others to do, pray tell? You are confusing me. Admire quality manufacturing/engineering in arenas that require close tolerances? Look up the history of double-action wheelguns? Place holes in pieces of paper? Review French history?

4) I do not hate your father, but I cannot condone–nor wink at–his actions.

5) I do not know whether my feeling that others should be warned away from your father’s church is “pathological.” Certainly, I would prefer that he discontinue making contact with me, and to that end I unsubscribed, today, to his mailing list from both of the email addresses he had placed thereon.

One hope that will take care of the problem. However, whenever your father threatens me or otherwise contacts me (anonymously or not, and of course it is always the former), it is my habit to blog about it, and thereby discourage the behavior. Because I would rather not write about your father, or his churches.

“Vicious attacks”? For “many years”? Gosh. I first blogged about your dad in 2005. A total of twelve entries over four and a half years would work out to only several entries a year, which doesn’t seem excessive, given the fact that he stole two years of my life when I was barely a teenager–formative years that I’ll never get back. And then there is the fact that he prefers to threaten me, versus apologizing for his actions. But these judgements are certainly subjective, and you are entitled to your point of view.

It is possible that I am allowing that childhood trauma to interfere with my calmness and serenity. That is certainly something that warrants contemplation and prayer.

By the way, speaking of things that interfere with one’s serenity, you may not find that you want to spend a lot of time on my web site. I believe it’s having a deleterious effect on your own peace of mind.

You are, however, as you pointed out, an adult and perfectly capable of making your own decisions about such issues.

Robert L. Hymers III July 26, 2009 at 4:09 pm

Dear Ms. Whittemore,

You were only in my father’s church for a couple of months. He doesn’t even remember the incident. He didn’t even sign the alleged letter that you posted above. My father told me that he asked you to forgive him for anything wrong that he may have done to you, although he has no memory of you at all, because there were so many kids coming through the church in those days of the Jesus Movement.

My father bears you no ill will whatever. The only reason that you got those emails is because someone subscribed your name on his website. He would never try to make you upset. He prays for you.

However [redacted] you have tried hard to defame my father on Wikipedia for the past two years. You put all kinds of garbage on there, all of it second hand, since you were not in the church after 1977.

Even though you have attacked my father so many times, he is not angry with you, but he wants you to stop threatening him with “pistols” and “shooting Huguenots.” My father is an old man and it scares him when you talk like that. My father is afraid that you might go over the edge. He urges you to see your clergyman concerning the feelings of hostility you have toward him.

But be sure of this, veiled threats concerning guns and Huguenots will not be taken lightly by us. I demand that those postings be removed immediately from your website.

Very Truly Yours,

Robert L. Hymers III

Little Miss Attila July 26, 2009 at 4:34 pm

1) How odd that your father doesn’t recall me, nor the dozen pieces of mail he sent me when I was 13, 14, and 15. Signed by him. But he can assert that I was only in his church for a few months? How? That confuses me.

Does he recall that he loved showing off all the scripture I had memorized to visiting clergy?

Does he recall how I was kicked out of my home a few months after he excommunicated me, and I showed up at a prayer meeting at his apartment, carrying my sleeping bag, in the hopes that one of the congregants (any of ‘em) would let me crash in their living room? And that the moment he laid eyes on me, he pointed at me, and said, loudly, “See that girl? Get her out of here.”

I was 15 years old. Up I stood, with every eye in that crowded room on me. And out I went into the winter night in Westwood–sleeping bag in hand. I was down to my last few dimes, but I called a friend from the pay phone in Tiny Naylor’s that night, so I did manage to sleep indoors.

2) I have no feelings of hostility toward your father. I feel sorry for him. I’d hate to be like him.

3) My father told me that he asked you to forgive him for anything wrong that he may have done to you . . . Well, Kiddo. He’s lying to you. I’m afraid that’s one of his bad habits.

4) I’m so sorry that your father is scared that a gun-blogger blogs about . . . guns. He might want to see his clergyman about that. Please let him know that I’m not in the habit of censoring my readers, and they can discuss Louis XIV all they please.

Perhaps if this site upsets you and your dad, you should both discontinue reading it. You will recall that this entire post is in response to two emails sent to me by your father; he might want to stop doing that, if he wants the blogging to end.

Little Miss Attila July 26, 2009 at 4:50 pm

[Just to get it on the table: young Robert Hymers' last missive to me, via email}

> Ms. McCann,

> I would really appreciate it if you would stop making posts about my father. I don't
> have time to engage in blogging all day, but am alarmed with what I am reading on
> your website. Please leave my family alone. We pray for you and wish you the best.

> Regards,

> Robert L. Hymers III

Poor kid. Sigh.

Robert L. Hymers III July 26, 2009 at 5:12 pm

I must repeat, my father did not send you these emails. Someone must have put you on his constant contact list. I suggest that you remove yourself from this list, which you say you have done. What you have posted is inflammatory and dangerous. I demand that you remove the entire blog that you put up today. I must repeat, my father is an old man and it frightens him when you speak of “guns” and the “Huguenots,” who were French Protestants that were slaughtered by the thousands. I demand that you remove all of this from your website.

Very Truly Yours,

Robert L. Hymers III

Peter July 26, 2009 at 7:12 pm

If I may, Mr. Hymers, while I still do not believe there is much danger of running into your father in Heaven, my comment about LMA’s revolver had nothing to do with him. I did not spend a career in law enforcement so as to threaten people in my old age.
You may not have noticed, sir, that religion is one of the things people blog about, and talk about. LMA had a bad experience in your father’s church. Perhaps it would be more productive to deal with your father and his church so more young people are not scarred the same way, rather that attack the ones who have been harmed. Understand, sir, that if she thinks that she has been harmed, the damage in done. It it real.
In my job from before I was allowed to wear the badge and gun I was drilled, constantly on the damage a bad officer can cause. We see the results of bad clergy, as well. Again, sir, the proprietress of this site was damaged. Otherwise she would not write about it. So stop whining here and go find out if that damage to young people is still going on and, if it is, stop it.

Robert L. Hymers III July 26, 2009 at 7:50 pm

Dear former Police Officer,

Yes, religion is something people blog about. But how about trying to get somebody fired from their life long job, like Little Miss Godzilla tries to get my father fired. Would you have liked it when you were on the police force if someone tried to get you fired?

You are making the same mistake that President Obama made when he judged those policemen last week. You are shooting your mouth out without knowing the facts.

You may know about law enforcement, but you don’t know ANYTHING about the ministry. I do, having been a pastor’s son for almost 26 years.

Very Truly Yours,

Robert L. Hymers III

Little Miss Attila July 26, 2009 at 10:42 pm

This discussion is over. I am not going to be stalked on my own blog, or on Wikipedia, or in any of my email accounts.

I signed my house over to my husband to keep my name off of it so that no more anonymous threats would come to my home.

I field, at the minimum, at least one letter a year that is either anonymous–but is clearly from Hymers–or is Hymers posing as a third party. (Unless we are to suppose that the same names, identities, and phrasings are used, coincidentally, in letters to other former members of his churches–a notion I cannot buy.)

This blog is for me, and for my readers. I shan’t be blogging about Hymers in future unless he initiates contact with me again or he makes the news in some way. But the postings aren’t coming down unless there is an apology–not just to me, but to some of the other people whose lives he’s ruined.

Please note: the letter quoted in the entry above refers to “sexual sin,” which happened to be the rape of a 14-year-old girl by a 17-year-old male.

I have had it. If I hear anything from anyone with the last name “Hymers,” or who is affiliated with Hymers, and it isn’t a request of names to people that man should apologize to, you’ll be hearing from my attorney. Rather, my attorneys. And a lot of other bloggers, if this thing goes viral. What you’re doing here is not okay.

I truly recommend that you let the matter drop, but however terrified I am, I’m not going to be bullied. Mr. Hymers, please tell your father that he must stop the harassment. At once.

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